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UWC-Athletic and Intramural
Committee Minutes PRESENT: Jim Arnzen, Nancy Bentley, Phil Blau,
Steve Rader, Brenda Renfroe Jim Settle, Bob Trusz, and John Valentine. Steve mention that Jim Settle was right and that on
semester the conference and regional tournaments tend to have less of an
impact that they did on quarters. UWC-Athletic and Intramural
Committee Minutes PRESENT: Jim Arnzen, Nancy Bentley, Phil Blau,
Cindy Hopkins, Krista Jarrell, Steve Rader, Bob Trusz, and John
Valentine. UWC-Athletic and
Intramural Committee Minutes PRESENT: Jim Arnzen, Phil Blau, Nancy Bentley,
Cindy Hopkins, Steve Rader, Brenda Renfroe, and Jim Settle UWC-Athletic and
Intramural Committee Minutes PRESENT: Jim Arnzen, Phil Blau, Cindy Hopkins, Steve Rader, Brenda Renfroe, Jim Settle and John Valentine Phil began the meeting by distributing minutes of the last meeting asking everyone to take a minute to review. Brenda Renfroe moved to approve the minutes as published with Steve Rader seconding the motion. Upon a vote, the motion passed. PROPOSALS FOR NEW SPORTS - Discussion took place about the Procedures for Starting New Intercollegiate Sports with conversation centering around whether to send a proposal to the President if the AIC doesn’t recommend the proposal. New proposals are submitted to the athletic director who submits proposals with recommendations to the AIC. AIC reviews proposals and submits recommended proposals to the president. The group felt there was no need to send non-recommended proposals to the president. She gets minutes of the meetings and Dr. Settle also said he will keep her informed. John Valentine expressed concern about veto power given to the athletic director if everything has to originate with the athletic director and distributed suggested rewording of the procedures. Dr. Settle suggested adding a #12 under Criteria That Must be Included in the Proposal that stated, “Does the athletic director support this proposal.” After lengthy discussion and upon a friendly amendment by Dr. Settle, it was decided to make the following changes, which are italicized: There were no objections from the committee to these changes. The policy is included in the minutes. TIERED SPORTS – Phil said the last thing we will discuss this year and think about over the summer is tiered sports. Jim Arnzen distributed information about all the sports including roster size, classification, budget, coaching salary, scholarship budget and length of practice season. Phil asked Jim Arnzen what he thinks of tiers, and Jim said he would like to see a logical thought process about how number of scholarships and coaching salaries are arrived at so when people ask about these things, he has an answer for them. There was a salary range for major, intermediate and minor sports, but when the Fair Labor Standards Act became effective, some practice seasons had to be cut and some coaching salaries increased. Jim said this just means there’s a minimum wage for coaches, that we can recognize some sports require more time than others and pay those more, but there is a minimum wage for lesser sports. Discussion moved to how many mandates are going to be put on coaches such as how much practice time, how many games have to be played, budgets, etc. Jim Arnzen will prepare recommendations for committee consideration when meetings resume fall semester 2007. Procedure for Starting New
Intercollegiate Sports
Criteria that must be included in the proposal:
Athletic and
Intramural Committee Minutes PRESENT: Jim Arnzen, Nancy Bentley, Phil Blau, Kelly Hatas, Cindy Hopkins, Kristi Jarrell, Brenda Renfroe Jim Settle and Bob Trusz. Phil opened the meeting stating that Steve Rader and John Valentine might not be here and thanked Cindy for offering to take meeting minutes. Phil then asked everyone to take a few minutes to read the minutes of the last meeting. Bob Trusz moved to approve the minutes as published. There was no second or vote for the motion. NEW SPORTS - Phil asked for any comments, changes, endorsements or recommendations for the procedure for starting new sports. Bob said they seem to be reasonable steps. Jim Arnzen said there may be a time when a proposal is submitted by someone other than the athletic director which was the case with football several years ago. Bob Trusz said he thinks the athletic director needs to be onboard when new sports are proposed. Jim Settle said the athletic director certainly needs to be involved and he won’t support changes without athletic director involvement. After discussion, consensus was that wherever a proposed addition and/or change to sports programs originate, it should go through the athletic director first. Upon a question from Kelly regarding item #3, she asked if this group turns a request down, will the request still go to the President? Jim Settle suggested putting in item #3, after proposal, “and recommendation”. Phil asked for any further changes; there being none Phil moved the AIC recommends this procedure for starting new intercollegiate sports and Bob seconded the motion. Upon a vote, the motion passed. DRUG TESTING – Phil opened the discussion by talking about how the committee should vote on the issue of continuing the drug testing of student athletes. The question was should voting be conducted by secret ballot, by show of hands, or by email. Jim Settle told the committee he is working with 2 students now who have had several drug violations and are at the point of being suspended from the University. These students are being allowed to stay as long as they submit to random drug testing and they have to pay for the testing. This has been handled through the University’s regular disciplinary process, so if anyone suspects an athlete is on drugs, it could be handled through the University’s regular disciplinary process rather than testing all athletes. Kelly reported that overall the students are not in support of this policy. Jim Settle said he has not heard anyone on this committee in support of the drug testing program and suggested this group propose the elimination of the drug testing pilot program for student athletes and have no separate student athlete drug testing program. Bob made Jim Settle’s suggestion a formal motion and Phil seconded the motion. The committee decided to conduct an email vote so the entire committee would have an opportunity to vote on this issue. The motion passed by an email vote of 8 in favor and 1 against. OTHER BUSINESS – Phil said one thing to look at in the future along the lines of procedures for new sports are tiered sports and what sports should be tiered. Jim Arnzen gave an overview of tiered sports stating the sports programs are based on no particular criteria and the head coaching pay and scholarships are the only things tied to those programs. There has been an ongoing discussion of why we have tiers at all. Jim said said tiers came about because the head basketball coach gets paid more than other coaches and the basketball program has significantly more scholarship money than other programs. Why we have tiers is the million dollar question. Jim Settle suggested Jim Arnzen make a grid stating what sport is what tier as the group needs some information to look at. Jim Settle also said at some point if we are going to build sports we are going to have to look at a student activity fee for athletics, and we won’t get beyond part-time coaches if we don’t have this fee. Kelly asked what happened to the track and field proposal and Phil explained they don’t need to have varsity status to compete; we can just send athletes to competitions. Phil said there will be one more meeting before the end of the year, probably the first week of June. Procedure for Starting New Intercollegiate Sports Recommended by the Athletic and Intramural Committee 1. Athletic Director submits all proposals to Vice President for Student Affairs. 2. Athletic Director and Vice President for Student Affairs present proposal with recommendations to Athletic Intramural Committee (AIC) for review. 3. Upon consideration by committee proposal shall be forwarded to the president with recommendations of the committee and athletic director clearly noted. Criteria that must be included in the proposal: 1. In what year would the new sport begin Intercollegiate play? 2. Does our current conference affiliation sponsor this sport and how difficult would scheduling be? 3. How will the addition of the sport impact Title IX compliance? 4. Would the new sport be classified as major, minor, or intermediate under the Shawnee State University Classification of Sports? 5. What is the proposed annual budget? 6. What is the projected start up cost? 7. Does Shawnee State University have a quality facility that would accommodate the practice needs and competition needs of a new sport? Is a quality facility available for lease? Is the facility available at a time that our coaches and students are available? 8. Is the new sport going to be staffed with part-time or full-time coaches? Will the addition of student/athletes and practices/games put enough of an increase in workload to current staff that additional support staff need hired? 9. What is the projected roster size? 10. Will exiting sports lose funding or staffing? 11. Will adding the new sport fit the mission statement for athletics? Minutes of
Athletic and Intramural Committee Present: Phil Blau, John Valentine, Jim Arnzen, Cindy Hopkins, Steven Rader, Bob Trusz, Kelly Hatas, i. Approval of the minutes ii. Drug Testing Kelly Hatas was asked for her comments. Her own personal opinion was still undetermined at this point; she could see both sides and that her opinion might depend on the purpose of testing. If it is for a safe, drug free campus why should only the athletes be tested? If it is only for ensure there is no competitive advantage due to performance enhancing drugs, then marijuana should not be tested for. Steve Rader pointed out that NCAA mandates testing for both performance enhancing and street drugs, so there athletes are singled out for testing. The NAIA does not mandate testing, likely because of the costs. The committee will need to vote on whether or not to continue testing shortly, and if testing is continued, about whether or not to test for marijuana and other street drugs. Jim Arnzen pointed out that at some point letters about the policy will be sent to students. Any recommendations from this committee would likely need to go through the Vice President of Student Affairs and then to the President. Thus, there will need to be a vote in about three weeks. By email Jim Arnzen would provide the summary statistics about the test as well as the cost of testing. Phil gave an unofficial summary that so far there was 1 positive marijuana test from about fifty something tests, and the athlete refused counseling and quit the team. When asked, Jim Arnzen sent the money for testing was additional money allocated to his budget. Bob recommended the vote be cast by paper ballot. iii. New Sports Cindy Hopkins asked about part time coaches and the need for more full time coaches. Jim Arnzen said it depends on the sports. In softball and baseball, the need for a full time coach is more acute. He also personally felt we should not start new sports until full time staffing in intermediate sports is achieved. For example, track and field would require supervision of about 25 males and 25 female; that would be a hard task for a part time coach. We need to look at an institutional commitment to more full time positions: what models are comparable schools using. Can positions be created where half the job would be coaching and the other half teaching or administrative? That way coaches would have a more regular and permanent presence on campus. Jim Arnzen distributed a draft for a policy about adding new sports. We asked committee members to “get out their red pens” and comment on it for the next meeting. Minutes of Athletic and
Intramural Committee Present: Phil Blau, John Valentine, Brenda Renfroe, Nancy Bentley, Jim Settle, Jim Arnzen, Cindy Hopkins, Steven Rader, Bob Trusz, Kelly Hatas, Kristi Jarrell i. Approval of the minutes The minutes from the meeting of March 13, 2007 were approved. Also, new member Cindy Hopkins was welcomed. ii. Procedure for adding a new varsity sport. Phil withdrew his motion from the last meeting about giving the track club varsity status to allow competition in the conference championships. Phil passed out some notes of what to look at when considering a new varsity sport (which were emailed to the committee) that he, John, and Steve worked on over the break. Bob Trusz pointed out that the committee is not a policy-making body. What exactly is the role of the committee; it should consider the recommendation of the athletic department and student affairs. Brenda said that last year a charge from the President was to set criterion for adopting new sports. Phil confirmed that a letter from the President asked the committee to look at, in advance of consideration, criterion that should be met for designating a new varsity sport or re-designating an existing club sport to varsity. Jim Settle felt an appropriate role for the committee is participation in the review of athletic policy. Steve said that several years ago when the addition of four new varsity sports was proposed, one of the problems was there was no guidelines for adding new sports. Changing committee membership in the makes it hard to get “in the loop” of athletics enough to be constructing athletic policy. Jim also said the situation of the track club, which help generate this discussion about guidelines for adding new sports, was unique, because individual athletes, as long as eligible was run for them, can compete in the conference championships without the need of elevating the entire team to varsity status. It was decided that the athletic director should make a list of the criterion to present to the committee for possible recommendation. Jim Settle asked the students, who were leaving to attend a 9:00 meeting, about the drug testing policy. Kristi did not really see the point of singling out from the entire university community only the athletes for drug testing, though testing for performance enhancing drugs that could provide a competitive advantage. The committee looks forward to hearing more from its student members as the new drug policy is further evaluated and refined. iii. Drug Testing A revised policy with some revisions (including a statement as to why athletes are drug tested) made by Jim Arnzen and Jim Settle, was distributed to the committee. Jim Arnzen summarized, saying there were varied results of the testing. Likely, some likely have changed their behavior, some have not, and some have tried to the beat the system. Overall, a student athlete here does not believe that he or she will be tested; too much of the procedure (such as the number tested) is known by the athletes. Jim Arnzen mentioned a drug testing survey was an idea a speaker on drug testing policies mentioned at a session the NAIA national convention. He thought the speaker would be willing to provide some input. There are more expensive tests for masking compounds as well. Phil noted that steroids were added to the list of substances tested, which has already added to the cost of testing. Jim Settle there will likely be a summary poll of the committee about continuing and modifying testing. The next meeting was scheduled for 8:15 am on Monday April 30. Charge of the athletic and intramural committee:
Minutes of Athletic and
Intramural Committee Present: Phil Blau, John Valentine, Brenda Renfroe, Nancy Bentley, Jim Settle, Jim Arnzen Guest: Eric Putnam i. Approval of the minutes The minutes
from the meeting of February 6, 2007 were approved. The committee welcomed Jim Settle, who
clearly stated his commitment to having actions done openly Eric Putnam, coach of the cross country team as well as the track club distributed a proposal for track and field at Shawnee and then highlighted some of the ideas in its. The is no indoor track championship in the American Mideast Conference There is a new NAIA limit of 8 cross country meets; a varsity track would give members of this team more opportunities to participate in intercollegiate athletics. There would be more additional uniforms but no scholarships. Initially the team would be the same cohort of cross runners who are on the track club. Some concern was expressed about if the “tightening of the belt” for the cross country team would take away from the team. Eric felt that by careful fiscal management that would not have to be the case. Nancy wanted to know if admissions noted applications who expressed interest in track. John asked about the possibility of doing track fully with planning and funds Phil made a motion that the athletic and intramural committee recommends allowing club track to participate in the AMC championship and, if they qualify, the nationals, while the option of adding a formal track and field team be studied and investigated. Nancy seconded the motion. The vote was 4 in favor of the motion.
The voting membership has 8 members currently plus one vacant position.
Phil said he would forward the proposal and the motion to the rest of the
committee to finish the vote through email. The athletic director informed the committee that there have be no new positive drug tests; so far, only 1 out of 39 tests was positive (for marijuana). That student chose to quit the team rather than attend a counseling session. Phil thought that result was not the desired outcome the policy hoped to obtain. Jim Settle was curious about the testing process and the possibility that there might be a 7-10 day time frame between when an athlete is informed and when the athlete is tested. There was some discussion about why we test our athletes. There is a public relations aspect of representing our school in an athletic competition. John pointed out that the part of the armed services’ motivation for testing for marijuana is to see the demonstration of self discipline. Jim Settle thought a main reason for drug testing was that the university is responsible for and cares about its students and will like to intervene and help when appropriate. Jim Settle and Jim Arnzen planned to meet and draft a statement as to why the university has a drug testing policy for its students. This document could be made available for athletes and their parents. Minutes Athletic and Intramural
Committee Present: Phil Blau, John Valentine, Brenda Renfroe, Nancy Bentley, Kristi Jarrell, Kelly Hattas, Jim Arnzen i. Approval of Minutes and Introduction The minutes of October 25, 2007 were approved. Tracy Conn can no longer serve on the committee, since she has moved to an administration support staff position. The governance of the hourly workers will appoint a member to replace her. ii. Minimum Roster Sizes: It was noted that some of the minimum roster sizes would be hard to achieve, such as in women’s soccer. The minimum roster size was more a guideline, which the athletic director can give to coaches. Recruitment is not part of the evaluation of coaches, so there is no automatic penalty if a coach cannot meet a minimum roster size. The idea behind them is to give a goal that can hopefully lead coaches to attract a few student athletes who would not otherwise attend Shawnee State. It was noted that a coach might prefer a smaller roster is a coach can feel he or she can do more for fewer athletes. The lack of maximum roster sizes would probably mean the minimum roster would have small if any effect on title IX compliance. The committee was reminded that the resolution recommending the minimum roster sizes was already approved by the committee at the last meeting iii. Drug Testing It was pointed out that there are marijuana test that would only test for usage in the last 24-48 hours, but the standard test we use would detect usage in about the prior 30-45 days. There were about 19 tests in the fall, 1 of which was positive for marijuana. There were about 10 tests in the winter, none of which were positive. A first test requires counseling but having a counselor does not want to counselor person who does not want to be in counseling, so the forced counseling is far from idea. The committee was curious about what exactly was the nature of the counseling, as well as the process of a counselor signing off on a client. It is apparent to the committee that this area of the policy needs to work some more details. Since marijuana is not a performance enhancing drug, it might be removed from the list of tested substances for or the penalty for a positive test might be different from that with a positive test for a performance enhancing drug. It was pointed out that since marijuana likely would take away from performance and some, though not all, athletes are on scholarship, the university should test for it. There is certainly precedence for only testing athletes at the collegiate level. It was noted that that is true for any student on scholarship. Part of the athletic mission statements is that athletes are treated no different from the other students. iv. New vice president of Student Affairs In the middle of this month, Jim Settle will take over from the retiring Larry Magnus. The committee will meet shortly after he takes over. When he attends, committee members were asked to think about questions and comments for him. v. Club Sports. The status of club sports was brought up. There is still men’s club tennis but it is not housed in athletics. There is men’s and women’s track and field but at present there are no plans to add it as a varsity sport, so its participants are essentially members of the cross country teams. It would take a plan to add it to expand its membership beyond this. Track and field as a varsity could potentially add about 50 students, which could help enrollment management by expanding our base of students. It was recalled that the main reason the committee did not recommend adding varsity sports the last time was to focus on trying to strengthen some of our existing sports before we add new sports. Minutes Athletic and Intramural
Committee Present: Jim Arnzen, Bob Trusz, Phil Blau, Tracy Conn,
Brenda Renfroe, John Valentine, Nancy Murray i. Approval of the minutes The minutes of September 20, 2006 were reviewed, corrected, and approved. ii. John Valentine was welcomed to the committee. iii. Update on Drug Testing Policy All of our athletes have signed to the form sent to them and names have been submitted to SOMC, where a list of testing days will be generated. John Valentine asked about the list of substances being test for and what common products or prescriptions might trigger a positive test. He was told the athlete submits a list of medications taken. John Valentine also pointed out that, unlike the case with the other substances, marijuana could result in a positive test that is administered a month after its last use. iv. Roster Size The committee recommended that the following minimum roster sizes be established: FINAL SSU SPORT * MINIMUM 05-06 ROSTER W-Basketball
15
12 M-Golf 7 7 *NAIA Post Season Roster Maximum It was also noted that recruiting is not currently part of the evaluation process of coaches. Minutes
Athletic and Intramural Committee Present: Jim Arnzen, Bob Trusz, Phil Blau, Tracy
Conn, Kelly Hattas. Kristi Jarrell, Brenda Renfroe, Larry Magnus Phil Blau updated the committee: The policy has been implemented over the summer, without the committee recommending either in favor or against the policy, though with a lot of feedback from the committee in shaping the policy from the original draft. Currently contract issues with the implementation of the policy are being worked out; there has been no testing yet. Bob Trusz brought up what exactly the role of the committee should be. The committee should consider recommendations not make policy. The role of the athletic director should not be usurped by the committee Jim Arnzen said the policy will cost about $11,000 for the year since steroids are included in the ten panel screen. There would be about 20 athletes tested throughout the quarter, possibly one or two tests each week. Nancy Murray asked if the committee could also see the list of what is tested for. Phil Blau said he would email the committee this information. Nancy Murray asked if the athletes would be educated about the testing, such as false positives or substances to avoid (such as green teas) because they could produce a positive test. Kelly Hattas asked when testing would begin. Larry Magnus replied, hopefully, it would be not too long. A question about prescription medication came up. Jim Arnzen said the students list any medications they are taking when the test is administered. The subject of an appeal process was brought up. The only appeal would be a second test by the company on a “back-up” sample. The student would have to pay the cost of this second test if it also resulted in a positive. However, the back-up sample would only needed to be tested for the substance(s) found in the positive (e.g., if positive test found opiates but no steroids, the back up sample would not have to be tested for steroids , just for opiates.) Bob Trusz said the policy the students signed over the summer would be different from the actual policy, which has some revisions, especially in the duration of a suspension for a second positive test. The committee agreed it would be important to have students sign the final version of the policy before testing begins when the teams meet with the athletic director. The committee agreed that following a first positive test, future tests would not be random, but follow-up tests would be at the discretion of the athletic director. Jim Arnzen said he likely would give a follow-up to any athlete with a first positive during the next round of random testing. There was discussion about the second positive test leading to a suspension for the rest of the academic year. The idea about having the suspension last the same percentage of an athlete’s total scheduled contests seemed to have some support from the committee, though again this penalty is different from the one stated in the letter the athletes signed. iii. Roster size
Athletic and Intramural Committee
Minutes Present: Steve Rader, Jim Arnzen, Bob Trusz, Phil Blau, Tracy Conn, Kelly Hatas i. Drug Testing It was agreed that first we should have an anonymous ballot online set up by Steve Rader for the committee to recommend for or against having any sort of drug testing policy. If passed, then policy shall be drafted by a small subcommittee with Jim Arnzen and Steve Rader and one or more members of this committee, and possibly legal consul. ii. Budget Review Steve Rader notes the coaching salaries meet legal but might not meet the moral obligation, as it does not recognize the real differences by the amount of work associated with a particular sport; for example the amount of work required to coach tennis might not equal the amount of work required to coach baseball. We should try to reward coaching positions that require more responsibility. Jim Arnzen mentioned requiring coaching salaries to be more in line with the designation of sports as major, intermediate, and minor. Though we have three levels of sports, there seems to be more than three levels of funding. With the annual percentage increase in budgets, this would require philosophical guidelines to change the current funding differences. iii. New Varsity Sports. Women’s golf would required an approximate $36,000 annual funding commitment and would have a roster size of 8-10. Bob Trusz expressed concern about that roster size; the additional recruitment might not be worth the investment. He thought a minimum roster size of 12 might be worth it. This lead to consider if we need to look at minimum (and possibly) maximum roster sizes. Jim thought that track, while costing more than the small annual expense required for, say, women’s golf or men’s tennis, would offer a much larger roster size and help maximum the increase in full time students. In adding new sports we could look at primary sports in the areas, inquires in admission about golf, and student interest is likely isolated and not a sustained and demonstrated interest. Men’s and women’s track and cross country could have a combined roster of 100 students. This size of students could positively impact the university. To determine the feasibility we need to answer the following questions (which can be applied to any sport): 1) Is it conference sport? 2) Can we get games in the area? 3) What’s the cost and how will we pay? 4) Is there demonstrated and sustained interest?
5)
What is the impact on support services such
as an increased need for
The effect of gold and tennis would be budgetary only, but
track could have ripple This led to Bob Trusz suggesting the idea of doing a cost-revenue analysis of the 100 person roster, which would measure the cost of renting facilities. In the case of track practice would be after 6:00 pm, so electricity would have to be a factor. Jim Arnzen said rent is about $1500-$2000 and the electricity is not a major factor. Bob Trusz suggested $7,800 as a rough figure for the annual revenue generated from a student; it is $5,800 for a freshman and increases. The cost-revenue analysis is an example of the type of data that will become more important in justify the existence of sports. Jim Arnzen that this may point to implement some minimize roster sizes, which this committee has always voted down in the past. Steve Rader said that the addition of new sports should be justified by data driven arguments- for example, is enough net revenue generated. Bob Trusz commented about the importance of this- why would we give athletic scholarships if there is no net revenue. It has been about a decade since the athletic department last did a cost benefit analysis. It was decided that the athletic director should do a current one on the existing sports, before any hypothetical ones on potential new sports, such as track. Phil Blau said that such an analysis could help formulate determining if we need to set a minimum roster size and what that size should be. Jim Arnzen
said that minimum roster sizes agree with our mission of participation |
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